For Oracle, 2010 is off to a nice start. The same cannot be said for its arch enemy SAP whose CEO Leo Apotheker was just pushed out by its board following four consecutive declines in quarterly sales and a dramatic decrease in customer satisfaction. The worldwide recession was a major contributor to SAP’s troubles as was the questionable decision to raise support fees at a time when customers were under great cost pressure themselves. Some analyst think SAP’s late entry into Software as a Service (SaaS) has contributed to recent sales declines as well.
Beyond these obvious factors, the interesting question is the degree to which Oracle has contributed to SAP’s troubles. Sales of Oracle applications have remained surprisingly strong in light of overall market weakness. It is reasonable to believe that much of Oracle’s success has come at the expense of SAP. This is particularly true because the opportunity for new application sales continues to shift toward mid-sized organizations and emerging markets. This may be because so many of the giants are inclined to stick with software that is in place in tough times. SAP has tended to dominate the very top end of the ERP market but has been far less successful in the rest of the market.
SAP’s reputation as a high cost solution that can take very long to get working makes it very hard to generate new sales in an era when nearly every business is focused on short term results. The SAP sales pitch that its sophistication justifies the extra time and cost is out of synch with the current market mood.
We wonder how often this argument was valid anyway. The added capability provided by SAP software only has value if it is actually used. It has been our experience that very few users of any application suite (JDE included) make use of even a fraction of its capability. What good are features that demonstrate well but that never get used in practice?
In 2009 my company finished a ground up JDE installation at a small division of a giant manufacturing company. The total cost of the project was a few million dollars – an amount that should pay for itself very rapidly. Another division of the same company had just finished installing SAP after spending roughly 100 times as much (the original project budget was exceeded by well over $100 million). The division where SAP was installed was much larger and more capability was put in place. Still, it could take decades to see a positive return on what was spent.
The difference between what SAP offers versus Oracle diminishes every year. When Fusion Applications mature the situation could be reversed. The new leadership at SAP may discover that momentum in the application market has shifted toward Oracle in a way that will be very difficult to reverse.
We would love to hear from anyone working in an organization with JDE installed that is considering a switch to SAP. Even though this option is being chosen less and less each year, we continue to hear of places where the SAP sales team is making a hard push.
February 19, 2010 at 12:03 am
So the sky is falling for SAP.
February 19, 2010 at 11:06 am
Sounds like SAP should look to offer a slim down version to recapure then market!
February 19, 2010 at 11:51 am
SAP remains a formidable force in the applications market but the aura of invincibility it once tried to project is gone. Oracle’s surprising success at buying and integrating best of breed application providers has put it a position to challenge SAP’s position as the market leader. A battle between titans has begun and at the moment Oracle is winning. There is no need to feel sorry for SAP or to write them off, they will continue to be a successful and profitable business. The main point of my posting was that there is rarely a strong case for replacing JDE applications with any of SAP’s offerings.
February 19, 2010 at 11:53 am
It is my understanding that SAP has a low level product that it obtained by acquisition. I have not paid much attention to it because it is almost never offered as a JDE replacement.
February 22, 2010 at 5:44 pm
When comparing JDEdwards to SAP or Oracle E-Business I was always interested how many clients are in Production on each system. Everybody can compare SAP with JDEdwards by revenue.
But who cares about revenue if JDE Project will need 5 people to implement where SAP will need 50. And I have seen such examples in my career.
Can anybody share such statistic? Number of clients or number of users in production…
February 23, 2010 at 9:12 am
Sergei,
You make a good point. A friend of mine here in Connecticut tells me that while he was doing some work at a large local tool manufacturing company last year that they decided to put a hold on a SAP implementation project. According to him they send over 200 people home. Numbers like that are mind bending when you consider how much a strong team of ten people can accomplish using JDE software.
I am also in contact with an independent research firm planning a study comparing cost of ownership of SAP with JDE (among others). If anyone reading this knows of a JDE customer that would like to be part of such a study let me know. The perfect situation would be a company that uses JDE in one part of the business and SAP in another.
Dave Andrews – Editor